you who say to yourself, And does the verses before say the Arabs could see the Arabs loft pillars or just saying what they used to do 89:6-8 He who had faith said (to Pharaoh and his company): O my people, I fear for you the likes of the day of the confederates, the likes of the fate of the people of Noah, Ad, and Thamud and those after them. (sorry for all the writting just answer the atharan bit and the 7 things I just wrote Down it doesnt matter about that long paragraph in the middle), Or bonus it just means they were better in building houses on past witch you cant see anymore like effects in 30:50, Any thoughts Bro sorry to keep bothering you with this, Aoa Thamud were destroyed [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. The 2 verses are very generic in that they describe the general civilizations over time that have been destroyed or have perished but their signs remain behind. The leftover of Ad were taken and built over by Thamud. It makes it specific but is not related to time. There is no possibility that these were houses. As such, missionaries and polemicists have claimed that the mistakes of Muslim folklore, or contradictory applications of the name Thamud to archaeological discoveries, suggest an historical mistake in the Quran. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. In my research, I did discover that the tombs do contain pre-Nabatean inscriptions. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. God knows best. And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! Overall, in my opinion the response could/should be revised in light of some of the points mentioned here. A Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamd By Ibn Kathir - Fri 14 Muharram 1425 (5 Mar 2004) 0 5604 Explanation: means, they were arrogant, stubborn and disobedient. 'Ad and Thamud are closely connected by both Islamic and pre-Islamic sources. Archeologists have put these ruins from the first century BCE and the first century CE. Abul Ala Maududi. It is generic for multitude of civilizations Edomites, Lihyanites and Nabateans inherited this skill? Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. . what enemy, ever so warlike and powerful, will venture to invade my land, or besiege me in my strong hold? Question:What is the correct explanation for the P --* _ . When Allah sent their brother Salih (AS) to advise them of the true faith, they rejected him just like the Aad had rejected Hud before. 11. [22], The first wave of Arab immigration to the Maghreb began with the conquest of the Maghreb in the seventh century, with the migration of sedentary and nomadic Arabs to the Maghreb from the Arabian Peninsula. After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. Their dwellings remained but very partially You mentioned that there are many house-like structures in the valley today, so perhaps they are one of those. The buildings of Thamud may or may not have remained but the well did exist then Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. Also, 28:40 is referring to Pharaoh and the verse tells us to BEHOLD how Allah SWT dealt with him without us being present to see it. This has led traditional Muslim historians to place the two quite early in history, much before the time of even Abraham and Moses. (2). Before the destruction came to them, Hud and his small group of followers escaped the area and were spared the punishment. (3). And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. 1. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. If the Nabateans carved out the structures on the hills and mountains of Petra and Median Saleh, as the Christians allege, then both the Quran and the Bible are in error, which I dont agree with. Of course, when they challenged Allah and His Messenger like this, they were just inviting destruction. A. Yusuf Ali wrote: The Thamud people were destroyed by a dreadful earthquake which threw them prone on the ground and buried them with their houses and their fine buildings., A terrible earthquake came and buried the people [of Thamud] and destroyed their boasted civilization. They also could have written inscriptions on the many structures that already existed. No, not at all. (29:38) If they turn away, then say, I warn you of a lightning-bolt like the lightning-bolt of Ad and of Thamud. 4. What timeline do you think thamud and AD and noah came because they would of have to be closed together and if noah nation was the first to commit shirk then they will have to of come 10 thousand bc because of the gobekli temple in Turkey because they commit shirk 9500 bc. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Again the burden of proof is on us that this was the case. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. Khawiya seems to mean destroyed/overturned but the term could possibly mean ruined too. Salam. One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE. Surviving quotations from Agatharchides's On the Erythrean Sea, from the second century BCE, reports that the Thamud Arabs then inhabited a "stony and large shore" of the Arabian coastline, south of the Gulf of Aqaba. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. They didnt bluntly reject Salih like the Aad did to Hud. The Nabateans 9. I am unsure if the root word but atharan can mean impact. Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. [31][32] Other Arab tribes migrated into Sudan in the 12th century and intermarried with the indigenous populations, forming the Sudanese Arabs. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). For the town in Yemen, see, sfn error: no target: CITEREFEph'al1984 (, "Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih)", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thamud&oldid=1132970365, This page was last edited on 11 January 2023, at 16:00. [pp. God chose the prophet Salih to warn the polytheistic Thamud that they should worship the One God. Marcus Aurelius Anthoninus and Lucius Aurelius Verus, who are the conquerors of the Armenians. 62-63]. Source: Sahih Muslim 2981, Grade: Sahih, . [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. Amorites Follow the great majority of Muslims today? Qur'an and Hadith on Thamud and their Dwellings Abu Rahma / March 22, 2016 It is argued that the Qur'an and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts [1]. No doubt! They are of Arab origin, but now of mixed blood mostly with Nilo-Saharans and Nubians. So, basically during the time of the Prophet (), their remains were not on the surface and only some of them were visible. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. Seriously? Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, [26] The Arab descendants of the original Arabian settlers who continue to speak Arabic as a first language currently form the single largest population group in North Africa. Obadiah 1:3 So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. Well, next to nothing. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. In the historical and archaeological record, both were contemporaries, but by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century AD, they had become little more than a distant memory, and their ruins, places of myth and legend. Part 1_ The story of Musa. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. These things had huge doors, elaborate engravings, complex designs, and must have been an amazing sight in their time. She states that all we have are A few papyri, which are mainly private contracts, and thousands of graffiti scattered on the rocks, 90% of which contain only the name of the individual who wrote it, his fathers name, and a formulaic greeting. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. Thamud were destroyed The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. One Who missed the Friday Prayer should pray Zuhr: Moving the Finger in Tashahhud : Fatwa Collection_ 40 short hadiths filled with wisdom. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. Theyre mentioned in 25:38 and 50:12. The earliest abundant references for Thamud in our literary sources are in relation to the Nabataean empire a large Arab kingdom encompassing parts of modern Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia (including the Hejaz, the area containing Mecca and Medina) and even parts of Sinai. In Umayya's account, there is no Salih. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. The story of Miraj- Isra _ Suhih al Bukhari, Can you brush your teeth in Ramadan? And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. 63-65. (2/434), As for the related Hadith reports related to the incident during the Tabuk expedition they either do not mention Thamud by name or say. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. Aad are mentioned as another Arabian tribe destroyed by God for rejecting their Prophet Hud. The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. These verses can be found in multiple books, we will focus on Obadiah and Jeremiah. Whereas the people who did cravings in al-Hijr were Nabateans. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. There is no good reason to suggest that these tombs never served as a place of dwelling, as they are large enough to do so. Long before the Roman empire, before Alexanders conquests, even before the great Persian monarchs, there were the Assyrians lords of much of the Middle East, and archetypes of almost every empire that came after them. They were successors to the People of Noah. I dont understand this question and how it is relevant to our topic at hand. Five Syriac inscriptions mentioning Arabs have been found at Sumatar Harabesi, one of which dates to the 2nd century CE. Or is that verse just saying what they used to do in the vally The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. Prior to the Muslim conquest of Egypt, Egypt was under Greek and Roman influence. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. Yes, the Thamd denied their Lordso away with the Thamd! If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. The people of Noah, when they denied the Messengers, We drowned them and made them a sign for people We have prepared for wrongdoers a painful punishment and Ad, Thamud, the companions of the well, and many generations between them. Sargon II (d. 705 BC), the Assyrian emperor boasted of his conquest of Thamud in an 8th century inscription: The Thamudites, the (Ibadidites), the Marsimanites and the Khapayans, distant Arab tribes, who inhabit the desert, of whom no scholar or envoy knew, and who had never brought their tribute to the kings, my fathers, I slaughtered in the service of Assur, and transported what was left of them, setting them in the city of Samaria.. 3. The same can be said of Median Saleh, much of the area is still hidden under sand. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. I will post the links here for now. And of course, they were also polytheists. There is a popular historical show in Saudi Arabia with Eid Al-Yahya where they visit the area of Madain Saleh and he definitely makes a credible case showing that Madain Saleh has indications of being built by Thamud, but being used and completed by the Nabateans. This came to pass, and Thamud was annihilated. [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. . According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. Khurusani Arabs were mainly contingent from Nejdi tribes such as Banu Tamim. Being Dutiful to Parents: Islamic knowledge, The Door to Eternal Paradise: Islamic knowledge. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. 2. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Bani, Banu. From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. Ala-Maududi. Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. [Sahih Muslim, Book 55, Hadith 49]. Allah knows best if that really happened (this event is not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah.). The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . Like does 89:9 mean what thamud used too do like example pharoh killed people on stakes or does it mean what they have done like example the pyramids. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. Dont ignore them. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. In fact, we even know the scripts they used! But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. Corrections? Ad and Thamud were two great civilizations destroyed by God due to their excessive wickedness. But the inscriptions in Lihyanite script and some recently discovered archaeological vestiges are evidence for human settlementas early as the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. Personallhy, I think that number is too soon. As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? By not on the surface, I mean that they did not exist like a proper city or open to any passer by and were deep inside some unvisited territory. ** For what purpose is the tale of 'd and Thamd? It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". That these are the people of Aad, is hinted by a Nabataean inscription in Wadi Ramm, at a temple dedicated to the goddess Allat. The Edomites were proud of their wealth and riches, which they had by robberies amassed together; and of their military skill and courage, and of their friends and allies; and especially of their fortresses and fastnesses, both natural and artificial; and therefore thought themselves secure, and that no enemy could come at them to hurt them, and this deceived them: thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock; The Aad and the Thamud are two nations mentioned several times in the Quran. Its not an easy read, especially as most of the stories leave the reader perplexed in terms of their relevancy to ones personal life or attainment of anything didactic that enriches or nurtures a relationship with God. These people were very wealthy and wielded great power. What do u think? A Reminder of the Story of 'Aad and Thamud by Ibn Kathir, taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 8 Darussalam 2000 As for `Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right and they said: 'Who is mightier than us in strength?' See they not that Allah Who created them was mightier in strength than them. 'Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of God's chosen prophets - and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. [30], In the 12th century, the Arab Ja'alin tribe migrated into Nubia and Sudan and formerly occupied the country on both banks of the Nile from Khartoum to Abu Hamad. Most decent Muslims would never do such a thing, but there are many misguided people who do. The Nabataean alphabet was adopted by Arabs to the south, and evolved into modern Arabic script around the 4th century. The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. Revisionists are conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theories sell so in order to make quick money and get fame, some western pseudo scholars propagate this absurd conspiracy theory. [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. Otherwise, it could be also the Lihyanites, who disappeared some time before Isa (as), they also had some kind of rock art. Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Nabateans built over them means in general sense; it does not mean that each and every building was replaced by the Nabateans. These include Sunni Huwala and Achomi people, who compromise of both fully Arab and mixed Arab-Persian families. Or symbolic its talking about the left more of a legacy in there story. They may have even intermingled to the point of losing any distinction along ethnic lines as there is no good reason or evidence to preclude the idea that the Thamud also ventured and lived in Petra and the surrounding areas. [13] Adnanites are believed to be the descendants of Ishmael through Adnan but the traditional Adnanite lineage doesn't match the biblical line exactly. A temple they constructed at Rawwafa, 200 miles north of Medina, mentions the following in a Greek-Nabataean bilingual inscription: For the wellbeing of the rulers of the whole world . In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. [Prophet], it is your Lord who is the Strong, the Mighty One. We have no concrete evidence that Nabateans were destroyed. But the shriek seized them at early morning. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? the nation of Shuayb (as) is mentioned (78-79). In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. So you must also monitor your life for the signs that youre receiving. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? Several other inscriptions bearing the namesAad and Iram have been discovered in Jordan. Then, his progeny, and his people, came to be known by the name of ` Ad. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. The earliest known mention of this new 'Thamud' in historical sources is is a 715 BC inscription of the Assyrian king Sargon II, which mentions them as being among the people of eastern and central Arabia subjugated by the Assyrians. Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. It is not a revealed book any more and hence, we are not bound to believe in a few thousand year old civilization our scriptures do not mention any such thing. [25] The Arab tribes of Maqil migrated to the Maghreb a century later and even immigrated southwards to Mauritania. BUY ISLAMIC BOOKS by The Sincere Seeker for Adults & Children on AMAZON: https://www.amazon.com/thesincereseekerFOLLOW The Sincere Seeker on social media to . We have to be open to the idea that a person living thousands of years ago will have a different concept of a place of dwelling than we, in the 21st century, do. The verses are fairly generic as there has been mention of people of Lut and Shoaib that are also very close proximity. Yusuf Ali: But if they turn away, say thou: "I . Some people think petra was thamud do you think so jazzakkallah, But the main question for me is the first one number 1 the rest are just side questions but number 1 is the main one for me what I would like a detailed response the rest are more of yes or no qustions jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you, But I do agree with your article its just getting more information thats all jazzakkallah so I know how to answer this question jazzakkallah, This is part of qustion 4 do you think 27:52 is talking about there dwellings in the mountions or on the plains or both and does 27:52 mean there dwellings collapsed fallen because if yes 89:9 makes it sound like it is standing that there are more of the buildings showing then just partially but more showing of the buildings so how do we explain this jazzakkallah, Sorry for them being spaced out just put them together but 8. also if there buildings were very big there had to be more left of the buildings remains in the time of the prophet then just partially shouldnt there or not because if they were big there should of been more left or not do you think jazzakkallah how would we explain this jazzakkallah but like I said question 1 is the main one, 9. Several broken columns in the ruins of Wadi Ramm have been interpreted as the lofty pillars associated with Iram in the Quran. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. The Quran mentions Aad as successor to the people of Noah (Q 7:69), and Thamud, as successor to Aad in turn (Q 7:74). They very well could be the predecessors of the Edomites as they lived around the same area, and according to the Bible, they practiced the tradition of carving dwellings into the rocks. The Thamud were Arabs, and the Bible tells us in Genesis 28:9 that Esauthe father of the Edomites married into the Ishmaelites, so that makes Edomites half Arabs also. 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, However, they worshiped other deities along with Allah. The Bible does contain verses about a particular nation known as the Edomites, who did carve out structures on mountains and who were destroyed by God. Sargon defeated these tribes, according to his Annals, and had them forcibly deported to Samaria. The same can be said about 7:84 where Allah SWT is telling us to SEE the end of Sodom and Gomorrah. 7. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. Later still, we find them mentioned by Ptolemy (d. 168AD), in his Geography.6. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. They were Giants and so powerful. There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him! It describes what they used to do i.e. But they almost always have some other deities included in their pantheon. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. They are aws and athiri in origin with element of arphaxad & # x27 ; Ad and Thamud by name they killed her are Nabatean while the structures are dwellings. 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