I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. 7 0 obj Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) In 1966, Temple then aged 21 became Secretary of Youngs Foundation for the Study of Consciousness. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. The Dogon. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? extraterrestrial visitors? Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. It was very unlikely that the Dogon had learned of this stars existence from Westerners prior to the visit by Griaule and Dieterlen. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Damanhur is 521.0 km from Siwa and 625.9 km from Thebes, a deviation of 20%. for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. To be specific they sound like the kinds of astronomical conclusions one might draw from studying the heavens through a small portable telescope. The Pleiades are sometimes mentioned, but this is not possible. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. Cuddle up with someone. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. Conversations With Furthermore, there had been a The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who Found in the constellation after which it is named, it is about 25,000 light years from the sun and 42,000 light years from the centre of the Milky Way. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. Beings of this type would be a bit like mermaids and mermen. Perhaps the 'sirens' are, figuratively, a chorus of mermaids recalled from earlier times.They are called in Greek Seiren.It is For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Copyright 19922023. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. The position of the Speculation about the Dogon on numerous websites is now mingled with fact, leading to wide misunderstanding among the public about Dogon mythology. Sirius B was known to exist then. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). sources for Temple's story. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. Paranormal, ed. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." The oldest traces of life on Earth go back to about that time. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. 11.1. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). Sirius. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our forefathers came from the stars. (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from The Dogon. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. %PDF-1.4 I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. theorizes that the myths may refer to a gigantic supernova. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. Temple claims that bas-reliefs of the Sumerian demigod Oannes, which depict a "fish man," prove Nommo, whom the author identifies as the ancestor of the Dogon Nommo myths, was an amphibious extraterrestrial. Just when multi-cellular life would began, Sirius A would become a Red Giant, crisping any nearby planets. Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. The stars in this group are too young only a few tens of millions of years for planets with life and civilization to have developed. Our mysteries may be different but our questions are the same and we are no wiser. They conclude that Temple was very keen to please his mentor, who believed in extraterrestrial beings from Sirius. Whew! Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. mystery resurfaces. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. We need more reliable evidence -- especially theories that can be tested. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. I suspect not.". What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. I certainly concur with the first of those sentences! WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. They dont have telescopes or other It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. with the bright star Sirius (sigu tolo, "star of Sigui"), called Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. The Dogon Revisited It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. In 1998, Temple republished the book with the subtitle new scientific evidence of alien contact 5,000 years ago. The books reputation was first dented in 1999, when Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince published The Stargate Conspiracy, in which they allege that Temples thinking had been heavily influenced by his mentor, Arthur M. Young. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. All rights reserved. But Sagan then finds both astronomical and mythological holes in the hypothesis. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. Feature Articles Dogon shame Did ancient gods from the Sirius star system visit an African tribe 5,000 years ago? Because Sirius B moves from 8 to 31 AU distance from Sirius A, it is unlikely that planets orbiting Sirius A would have stable orbits. Were aliens, lost technology or something else entirely involved? had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Webplanet earth. ;WI)hK>U/sW_: v* &73DUI*y|07s^gQ7ni[khi4o2vA[a20?D-C[;,!vgejZE-,I51.cWS,?4#_}dpU4I[, w.Mi>Z@iOa:ia](i}29pit+ K#x>0nzDS%c7iN}%37Y-f 1Yvq'Nm=~-%#bO*O44*4%Aj Wi As anthropologists have known for a long time, primitive tribes have a remarkable talent for absorbing interesting new stories into their traditional mythology. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." The good news is that two of the first five entries were from skeptical websites (CSICOP and Bob Carrolls Skeptics Dictionary). Flim-Flam! They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. Dwarfs and Little Green Men". Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. When Walter van Beek studied the Dogon, he Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Bullard, Thomas. 30-31. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. seem curious. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Try my free online Rune Readings! Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Am I getting too picky here? It's almost certainly a hoax. 68-70. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? ;p7D) % But was anything left out? The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. I published, showed the distances to be nowhere close, in error by tens of miles, at least ten percent -- hardly "immense accuracy. The Dogon beliefs about Jupiter and Saturn sound familiar too. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references astronomical information. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. Press J to jump to the feed. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. interpreter. Temples Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. mystery resurfaces." You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Temple's book is indeed extremely long and many other researchers have echoed Asimov's assertion that it is "unreadable." You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. You guessed it -- Sirius! But from whom? African thought. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? <> Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. Bullard, Thomas. Afrocentrists, on the other hand, claimed that the Dogon could see I wonder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in Greek and Arab myths and words are considered to a lesser extent. 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