By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. They're like, `What do you mean?' And thus the decision from which all else followed. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. They held their breath. Cpl. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. I had a job I loved. Cpl. But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. Temptation Island: What Happened To Casey & Ashley After Season 2? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Hed been shot five times. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. Anything to be with Zachary, Kate says. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. But with special people, yes. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Andrew Bagby, who never knew Turner was pregnant, was the father. decision. Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. fc-falcon">kate and david bagby still alive sms online empfangen neue nummer June 1, 2022. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. then one day I realized what it was. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. Cpl. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available from thestaff@tvtropes.org. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. The court allowed the Bagbys supervised visits with Zachary. Details aplenty as this book includes legal cases, quoted interviews, diary portions, and anything you can imagine.This is a complete emotional roller coaster so buckle up and be prepared. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. Both of them were victims of murder. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. I dont know.. Shirley's message of "Mommy loves you" to Zachary is replayed following, Shirley Turner not only never sees justice for Andrew's murder, but by. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. Snow. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. There was a problem loading your book clubs. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. Andrew and Zachary's murders. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. This is a fantastic book. I haven't read this book yet but I have seen the documentary Dear Zachary. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Miss Manners: I shouldn't call because the phone scares people? How could they let an accused murderer walk free? The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. That word closure? Zachary thought he could just walk. Keith Morrison reports. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. I didn't have. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. He was like Andrew. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. She then murders said grandson in a murder-suicide. Right, right. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. March 17, 2007 at 7:39 p.m. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. Very, very serious. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. David was taking pictures, Kate says. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. I sat there. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. Play trailer 2:39. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. They told us that they'd found the body. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. He was jolly.. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". Easy duty. He and his wife also participated in a. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. And he'd be like(turns. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. He didnt know what to make of it then. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Such memories are happy and hard. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. Very powerful story, artfully told. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. We finally got a baby.. "It was an overpowering feeling. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. Box 500 Station A Toronto, ON Canada, M5W 1E6. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. If. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. a month after 30 days. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. the eventual turning of a bill they drafted actually becoming law. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. We had to pack up Zachary, Mr. BAGBY: We just climbed right back upstairs and went to bed and melted. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. Turner had not finished with the family yet. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. Twelve years older, she became obsessed with him. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. KATE: I had a great childhood. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. By this stage, he had moved to a new job in the US. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. On Nov. 14, a Canadian judge ruled that Turner should indeed be jailed while arguments continued on whether she should be sent back to the United States. The two eventually lived together again. His parents were ecstatic. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. 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